Monday, December 5, 2016

ALLEGHENY RECANVASS YEILDS NOTHING - NOW THEY WANT "FORENSIC EXAMINATION" OF MACHINES.

The illegally sanctioned recanvass in 52 precincts in Allegheny County today corroborated the election night vote count. No errors in the returns were found. By law, the election night result is now untouchable... if the law is to finally be respected in Pennsylvania.

But now the Stein zombies want the county boards to grant access to a team of  digital surgeon assets for a "forensic examination" inside the guts of the machines:

"Yesterday, Douglas Lieb, an attorney for Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, sent to Allegheny County Elections Division Manager Mark Wolosik a 'formal request ... to allow such a forensic examination at the campaign's expense and under the supervision of the elections division.'
'In this election, and with these machines, the only way to ensure the integrity of the vote in this county is a comprehensive forensic exam,' the three-page letter asserts."
Lieb is the attorney for whom arch-villain Ron Hicks sabotaged Friday's hearing. Hicks failed to make the proper arguments and lost in court, therefore the illegal recanvass today took place.
As I pointed out in a comprehensive legal briefing last night, a recanvass petition before the county board can only be granted to consider an unintentional error recorded by district election officials on the return sheets. The county board has no jurisdiction whatsoever to allow a "forensic" examination at all as to allegations of fraud, intrusion, or any other illegal behavior.
My briefing also points out that the Election Code requires that a recanvas for intentional fraud be timely initiated in the court of common pleas. County boards have no jurisdiction to investigate illegality, courts do. 
Since the deadline has passed, a new petition to recanvass in Allegheny County Court of Common Pleas must be denied as the deadline of November 21 has passed and no extension is possible according to law.
The Poste-Gazette newspaper reports the official response of Allegheny County Elections Division Manager Mark Wolosik  as follows:
"Mr. Wolosik noted that the county elections board, a three-person panel which presides over vote-counting, had not agreed to such a forensic examination. As a matter of policy, the county examines the programming of 20 machines, randomly selected out of more than 4,000, prior to each election."
Wolosik's statement should also have stated that the county board has no legal authority or jurisdiction to grant a "forensic examination" of the machines at all. 
A recanvass is defined by law as a simple re-examination of the returns, which is exactly what Lieb achieved. Now that the recanvass has confirmed the election night results, the losers - who failed to graciously accept defeat in the actual election - now cannot seem to accept reality with regard to the recanvass either , which they did not deserve and weren't legally entitled to anyway.
My legal briefing yesterday is now required reading for those interested in a truthful explanation of the law. It will be followed up soon with a comprehensive briefing as to why both attorneys, Lieb and Hicks, and the court of common pleas, got the deadlines wrong.
Here is a case I previously reported on that proves the deadline for any recanvass in Pennsylvania is time-barred as of November 21:
"Section 1703 of the Code, 25 P.S. § 3263, permits such a petition to be filed before the certification of the returns and 'no later than five (5) days after the completion of the computational canvassing of all the returns of the county by the county board....' " 

37 comments:

  1. Oh no this is getting silly . They did not have any proof of fraud . So now they want to make up proof.

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  2. I'm sorry but this is just so sad . Its laughable , and pathetic.Not just pathetic

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  3. Laughable and pathetic...unless the court disgraces itself again. Not letting my guard down.

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    1. I wouldn't either,but the late results did calm me down a bit.Just a bit I think now Jill is trying to run this as far as she can . ( Not saying there not planning something . Like if the judge grant there insane request. And they happen to find something) Either than that this is just trying to get doubt to the people.

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    2. Ren, here is the article said they rejected the request to forensic exams to. The last paragraph.
      http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-local/2016/12/05/Allegheny-County-vote-retabulation-jibes-with-Election-Day-results/stories/201612050147

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    3. Thanks, but yeah thats the article i relied/quoted for this report.

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    4. Also just came out, MI GOP IS GOING TO FILE FILE APPEAL IN THE US 6th circuit court.

      http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/gop-files-federal-appeal-stop-michigan-recount/95005692/

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  4. The forensic audit is what they've wanted all along. I've been tracking this from the very beginning and that is what they've been after the entire time. I happen to think the evidence was already planted there long ago - possibly weeks or months. The audit is the entire shebang, and I would be shocked if it turned up nothing.

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    1. Agree they didn't wanted a recount. They wanted those machines,for what ever reason.

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    2. Diogenes, YES. THAT MUST BE THEIR PLAN. Its the only thing that makes any sense as to why they are so rabid. Like rabies driving them mad KNOWING the evidence waits like a golden ticket to Willie Wonka's White House.

      They had it all planned, lawyers in place, stalwart party elites, Hicks, Tabas etc...all hands on deck. Covering each other like coven hive protecting quern bee. Then suddenly light is shined on the law, the court, the scam. There never was a legal way in, but they speaketh in tricky legalese tongues that they figured the Deplorables could never decypher.

      But we have decyphered all of it.

      You can help people, get tweeting facebooking relentlessly. Use this blog. Its yours. There are no ads and never will be. This is purely for you to fight with.

      Clock is ticking... And now they know that we know they know where the hacks are buried. Link away, folks.

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    3. Wait, what? I thought you said the Trump team is fully aware of what is going on. Why do people still need to get the public's attention by tweeting?

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    4. @Frustrated. By Trump team i meant the lawyers fighting pa contest and recounts. Turned out they were aware sabotuers.





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  5. This is an interesting take. Jander, do you know anything about laches?

    Rick Hasen, an election law expert, is wondering why Stein's lawsuit is not simply barred by laches?

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  6. Of course they are. A pissant District Court judge raises some pretty serious Article II issues.

    Simply blew through judicial deference to State election law.

    Sorry Brother, a poorly written opinion released in the middle of the night just doesn't do it.

    The 6th is predominantly R appointed, so that should help.

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  7. In Michigan, but interesting read. How do they do it if its against the law to run them?

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/

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  8. Can anyone confirm this? Philadelphia is voluntarily recounting
    and finding thousands of votes for HRC.

    https://www.palmerreport.com/news/philadelphia-launches-voluntary-recount-after-finding-major-vote-total-discrepancies/338/

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    1. That site has been posting wishful thinking scenarios literally twice a day. From claims of hacked machines, to his claims people weren't allowed to observe. Everyone on Twitter is using his " DONATE TO ME " site as some kind of legal advice. In what he reports, is just a sprig of truth imbedded in a ton of misinformation or lies. For example, he will use an observers quote " All we need to do is turn 5000 votes ", and turn it into an argument for recounting, or what is being done. I don't have much faith he is anything more than a hack that reports these longshot scenarios and people on Twitter just treat the rag as law. He has only been blogging 6 months, from some kind of news site he created, dailybin or something. I wouldn't put much toward any authenticity of his musings, but it wouldn't hurt to check.

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    2. In fact, the article you mention, he is referring to those 22k votes, but he wrote it as if its widespread.

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    3. Donald Trump was correct! Massive vote rigging for HRC. Accidently feeding ballots in multiple times? I may be a working class person, but I am not that stupid.

      Thank you Candice for posting the link to Detroit news.

      And now, my gut tells me that the Donald did win both the electoral college and popular vote.

      markm

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    4. Yes. The apparent fraud/misconduct in MI seems enough to stop this entire boondoggle. Voters apparently stuffed ballots into jammed machines several times and created erroneous numbers. I assume that these precincts were not counted during the MI certification process. Seems to me that if MI were overturned that this issue would turn into major litigation.

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  9. Here is another update from The daily caller 4hrs ago

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/05/pennsylvanias-largest-counties-complete-recounts-and-clinton-wins-five-votes/

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  10. Hello , well I have another theory . Another reason why we can't let them have those voting machines . You know how Jill Fill a fed suit ? And remember that i said they knew couldn't get a recount in Pennsylvania ?What if this is another part of the scheme. They knew they couldn't get a recount . So in Fed court they fill voter fraud . They have no evidence ,but if they get those machines . They can say they have voter fraud . The Fed judge might use it an excuse to grant the

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  11. recount . But the dangerou thing they can say the election was rigged. And say Trump should be impeach, or not inaugurated .

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  12. I feel much better about WI and MI than I do about PA. Those states have second term GOP administrations and as a result, their courts are predominantly Republican-leaning. It is vastly more difficult for Dems to get away with shenanigans there. That's why we are hearing so little drama reported in WI recount effort so far.

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    1. Jander, can you tell me can a Federal judge overruled a state judge?
      Bill Schuette (MI attorney General) Is saying the a Federal can't override the state election laws??? Pls advice.. their hearing is tomorrow.

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    2. Appeal will go to 6th Circuit, which is 11-5 R appointees.

      The issue is whether the Detroit Federal District Judge overstepped his bounds by interfering in a presidential election dispute which should have been settled by processes put in place by the Michigan legislature.

      This is an obvious Article II deference (electors shall be chosen in any manner that the Legislature desires) that the judge ignored, to his extreme peril, as we are about to find out.

      There was no equal protection argument to be made here that overrides the deference to be given the legislature.

      The 6th Circuit should block the recount until the Michigan law has run its course. This of course take it beyond 12/13, but too bad. You can't wait until the last minute to contest a Presidential election--the state law is constructed to prevent that.

      The brief should be filed in the AM. I hope there is a stay prior to the 4 pm hearing in the MI Court of Appeals.

      I wonder if the 6th Circuit can reverse with prejudice? Hmmmm.

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  13. People, Trump is STILL not aware of what is going on!! Keep tweeting, posting on Facebook, and getting this info out there! We MUST reach somebody in his inner circle who can reach him!

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    1. Trumps proposed White House coulee was former Chairman of the FEC. I'm sure they are all over it.

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    2. I meant counsel, not coulee...

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  14. Jill/Hillary are in Federal Court in all three states. When lawsuits are filed, they are randomly assigned to a judge. As "luck" would have it, Jill/Hill drew Federal Judge James Peterson in Wisconsin who is an Obama 2014 appointee, and Federal Judge Mark Goldsmith in Michigan who is an Obama 2010 appointee. Here's betting that Jill/Hill hit the trifecta in Pennsylvania. Haven't been able to find out who the judge is yet.

    Federal Judge Peterson ruled that recount in Wisconsin can continue for now, with a hearing scheduled on 12/9. Interesting development: Half of Detroit voters may be ineligible for a recount (vid): http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/

    Federal Judge Goldsmith in Michigan had an emergency hearing on Sunday, 12/4, and issued a ruling after midnight (technically 12/5) that hand recount in Michigan to commence Monday, 12/5 by noon. Obama Judge and Jill's lawyer is the former Michigan Chairman of the DNC. But the real kicker is under MI law, you must be an aggrieved party and show irreparable harm. Lib hack Judge ruled it was a “constitutional” matter. The partisanship/judicial activism is so transparent, it’s vomit-inducing.

    Michigan's Attorney General filed a legal pleading directly with the Michigan Supreme Court to halt the recount altogether. He specifically asked that the Court render a ruling by Tuesday, 12/6, as recounts were to start Wednesday, 12/7, due to the MI Board of Canvassing split vote this past Friday. MI election law allows two days for objections to its rulings. PE-Trump appealed in MI appellate court. MI Supreme Court consolidated MI AG & PE-Trump’s cases and set a hearing for 12/6 at 4:00 p.m. Dirty Jill/Hill and the Dems went running to federal court to usurp Michigan Supreme Court.

    Here's link with Jill/Hill’s Complaint for Declaratory Judgment and Injunctive Relief: http://billypenn.com/2016/12/05/jill-stein-files-federal-lawsuit-seeking-pa-recount-easier-to-hack-than-an-iphone/

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    1. Saw in a reply to another thread on this forum that the judge reviewing Stein' s federal lawsuit is a George W. Bush appointee. If true, that is a HUGE break.

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    2. Just confirmed via Politico that the judge assigned to rule on Stein's federal suit is Judge Paul Diamond - indeed a George W. Bush appointee. Finally, we caught a break.

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    4. Sure it it. You have about as much proof of this as Stein has about hacking. For how much money you want to bet me this judge won't even hear the case? Let me ask you something, "Ren," are you licensed to practice law and is your license in good standing?

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    5. Railing off conspiracy theories hurts your cause. I got TOP TRUMP people to look at your blog and they told me as much. When you accuse someone of "deliberately sabotaging" Trump from his own team, you lose credibility. The guy simply could have been incompetent. if you are a practicing attorney, you should know MANY attorneys are ignorant of law and are mainly trained in procedure.

      If you said " Ron made a mistake and mis-argued in my opinion" I could have got these TRUMP people to pay more attention to you. Instead, you accuse everyone of deliberate sabotage, evil deeds without evidence, only opinion which helps to invalidate you other opinions which I believe some are valid and some are not. For instance, you speak of PA computing votes by a set date, that is your opinion how you read the law. Computation can actually start after the last absentee ballots are received. Did you look that one up under exceptions?

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    7. Good stuff Rachel. Thanks for the updates and keep them coming.

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